O'REILLY So welcome to We'll Do It Live and who better than to do it live with then Judge Jeanine Pirro, everyone here she is. You don't see much of her because she's so busy these days, but we snagged her, and I am very happy that you're happy, and I mean that.
PIRRO Thank you.
O’REILLY Because I didn't know, you know, this five-thing was a cushy job. Hey, come on. This Fox Five thing, you're sitting there, if you can put up with Gutfeld, that's all you gotta do.
PIRRO Oh, boy, if that isn't the point.
O'REILLY Right, right. But it's a cushy job, it's just like, okay, here's a lot of money, just sit there, and then you say a few things, and you go home. This is a hard job, but not a lot of people know what you do. What do you do?
PIRRO Well, first of all, The Five was, you know, not a cushy job, it was a great job because you get hair and makeup, and you make money, and you have to be up on the news. You know that, I mean, you were in the business and you were at the top of the pyramid when you were in that business. But this job is Janine or me going back to my roots. It's the job that I started, and it's a job that I love. I love criminal justice. I love the idea of fighting on behalf of the victims of crime. I like enforcing the law. I believe in law and order. I believe in the Constitution. I believe that things have gotten so out of whack that we really needed to, you know, kind of readjust what was happening. And when I saw that Washington, D.C. had the fourth highest murder rate in the nation, comparable to the capital of some third world country, as recently as two years ago, I said, that's the kind of place where maybe I have something to offer. When the president called, first of all, I was honored, and I knew that it was something that would feed into my wheelhouse. Although I was a local DA in a county of a million people, which is much larger than the district that we're in right now, I was elected and reelected and re-elected again. So I had to be out there in the political sphere. Here, I could do the job, and I'm accountable to the people and, of course, the president.
O'REILLY Okay. But you're the DA of Westchester County, just north of New York City, and everybody knows what you do, when there's a crime committed in Westchester County, it comes into your office, you decide whether to prosecute the crime, and then when you make your decision, the other attorneys go, and they prosecute. Here, you've got the Attorney General of the United States, right across town. All right, you got a mayor that's not affiliated with Trump. It's a locally elected mayor Muriel Bowser. So it's almost like a mosaic. So, say somebody in D.C. murders somebody on federal property. Your case or the DA's case?
PIRRO I am the DA.
O'REILLY I mean, or the attorney general's case.
PIRRO Okay, here's the difference. Remember, we talked about the DA handling local crime, street crime, and then you have the federal United States attorney? My office in D.C., and as the United States Attorney in the District of Columbia, I am both. I am both the local prosecutor and I am United States attorney. I am a double-hatter.
O'REILLY Okay.
PIRRO Everything that happens is mine.
O'REILLY So the attorney general...
PIRRO Of the United States, right.
O'REILLY Right. She doesn't get involved with the street crime or anything like that in the district.
PIRRO She is, it's no longer a she, the attorney general, of course, is now acting Tom Blanche. Okay, but to the extent that the president has decided that he is going to make DC safe and beautiful with his executive order, then I am one of the only, if not the only, United States attorney who has dual jurisdiction of street crime and federal crime. I am the only one in the country that does both.
O'REILLY The attorney general then oversees the FBI, oversees the crimes that cut across...
PIRRO Federal crimes. Right.
O'REILLY Now, I was surprised. I had seen Pam Bondi on St. Patrick's Day. Nice conversation. Always got along with her. I was surprised that she left. That surprise you?
PIRRO I think she was asked to leave, that's my understanding. I'm not surprised because the president wants things done, and he needs someone who is going to aggressively pursue the agenda that needs to be done. And so now I think he sees in Todd Blanche, the acting attorney general...
O'REILLY A more aggressive person.
PIRRO A more aggressive person.
O'REILLY I don't think there's any doubt about that.
PIRRO Yeah, and I think that that's what the president wants.
O'REILLY Do you have anything to do with the Epstein situation?
PIRRO Absolutely not.
O'REILLY Okay, because that vexed Pam Bondi, that vexxed her.
PIRRO Yes.
O'REILLY You know, she made an initial mistake by saying, I got this file, and then everybody goes, what file? Let me see the file.
PIRRO Yeah, and a client list and all that.
O'REILLY But you don't have anything to do with Epstein.
PIRRO No, no, no. Because there isn't anything in my jurisdiction that involves any of the Epstein victims, or if someone had a case where they want to claim, and I just started a hotline, a tip line for Eric Swalwell. Once it was determined in California that he has been engaging in inappropriate, if not criminal behavior allegations, that I would look into it as well. So just as I'm doing that with Swalwell, I'll do that with any crime victim. I am an aggressive prosecutor.
O'REILLY As long as it took place in D.C. area.
PIRRO In my jurisdiction. Right.
O'REILLY All right. Tell me why the nation's capital had so many murders. Why?
PIRRO I'll tell you why. The nation's capital had so many murders because there was not a focus on law and order. There was not, we have a DC council. The DC council has laws that cover the superior court. They can be murders, and they can be, you know, assaults, sex crimes, burglaries, robberies, but they allow for the kind of sentencing that is so absurd, Bill, you would be stunned. So if you have someone who is under the age of 25 and kills three people in the DC court, not even the federal part of my job, but the local, and the court gives him 30 years for one, 30 years another, and 90 years, because of the DC council, after 15 years, he can get out. He doesn't have to prove he's sorry. He doesn't have to say what he did was wrong. They just figured he was under 25. We gotta give him another shot.
O'REILLY So you're saying that the D.C. City Council, elected by the locals...
PIRRO By the locals.
O'REILLY Too soft on crime.
PIRRO Too soft on crime is a kind way of saying it. What they are doing is they are allowing young people, teenagers, to commit crimes in my view, but allowing them to go into the juvenile justice system and the family court, where the focus is not punishment, deterrence, or retribution, it's rehabilitation. But that rehabilitation is yoga and ice cream social. There's no accountability. And so these young punks end up with a rap sheet a mile long. By the time they get to me, Bill, they're committing a murder. I look at their juvenile rap sheet, they've got robbery, car theft, they've gotten burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon. It's crazy. So--
O'REILLY This is like New York.
PIRRO Worse.
O'REILLY It's worse in New York.
PIRRO Definitely worse than New York, because when I was a prosecutor in New York, if you committed a murder at 14, I could prosecute you. Here I cannot.
O'REILLY But you know New York has changed its laws to make it easier for the miscreants to race around. Now why, why did the elected city council of Washington DC decide to go soft on crime?
PIRRO You'll have to ask them, Bill, but what I can tell you is that they think that young people need to be coddled because their prefrontal cortex area is not fully developed, and they are not capable of making reasoned decisions. But my question to you, Bill, is does it matter to you, God forbid, if you were shot, whether it's a 15-year-old who shoots you or a 50-year old? The consequences to you are the same.
O'REILLY Sure, and what if it's my daughter or my son?
PIRRO Yeah, it's even worse.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO Okay, and so they are not inclined to focus on the victims, they are focused on the young punks.
O'REILLY Right. Has that changed since you've been here?
PIRRO No, and in fact, we are demanding that they lower the age of accountability to 15, 16. They're not allowing that.
O'REILLY And they're fighting you?
PIRRO Well, they're not doing it. Look, Mayor Bowser, and by the way... The way to solve these issues is, first of all, thank President Trump, the executive order, make D.C. Safe and beautiful. He gives us the resources. I work with Mayor Bowser and the chief of police every day. We have a great relationship because we have a fundamental belief that we can make a difference.
O'REILLY So Bowser has come over to your side?
PIRRO Yes. I had a press conference with her today on a car theft ring that is international and stuff.
O'REILLY What was the source of this conversion, because she was always a far-left person?
PIRRO You know what?
O'REILLY Is it your personality?
PIRRO It's my over, my personality overcame her.
O'REILLY Because she's totally changed.
PIRRO She may have. All I know is the Muriel Bowser that I know is a Muriel Bowser that I like, that I can work with. We're doing another press conference on Friday on domestic violence, international theft ring. Tomorrow I'm doing something on C-scam and scam compounds in Southeast Asia. I mean, we're fighting all kinds of crimes. This is the best job in the world. I can do terrorism and bring back, you covered Benghazi. I covered Benghazi. I got the ringleader. We knew who the ring leader was from the get-go. Did anybody do anything? No. I got together with Marco Rubio, Kash Patel, and we brought back a guy named Bakush. I was on the tarmac for the transfer of control of this individual. And I met him and now we're prosecuting him.
O'REILLY What was the link to DC on it?
PIRRO We handle terrorism, where Americans are killed abroad. I'm also handling the Lockerbie case.
O'REILLY Any kind of terrorist activity abroad.
PIRRO Outside of the country. Yes.
O'REILLY That's in your jurisdiction?
PIRRO That's mine. Yeah.
O'REILLY I did not know that.
PIRRO This is the biggest United States attorney's office in the country.
O'REILLY I had no idea.
PIRRO Well, you know, if you give me another hour, I'll tell you about it.
O'REILLY And if I don't know, I mean, nobody knows.
PIRRO Yeah. National Guard, they're still here. Yep. And I'm glad they're here. And unfortunately, you know, one of the National Guard was killed. And another one is recuperating, Sarah Beckstrom and Andrew, who I talked to his mother and continue to talk to him on a regular basis. You know, we're close to our victims. You know the intern you heard about who was shot at 10:30 at night, caught in gunfire, is the intern who was working for a congressman from Arkansas. His mother and I are the best of friends. She never thought this case would be solved. MPD solved the case. Muriel Bowser, chief of police, solved the case. We worked together. We worked day and night on this case.
O'REILLY Who has jurisdiction over the National Guard in D.C.?
PIRRO Oh, that is a great question.
O'REILLY Well, it's me.
PIRRO You ask great questions. I would say that the president does because there is no governor.
O'REILLY Okay. So that, I think, is the correct answer because the president of the United States, the commander-in-chief, and the National Guard is part of the military. So, of course, it would come back to him. And he, how long is he going to keep the guard here?
PIRRO You know, obviously you'd have to speak to him about it, but I think that, you know, the president is focused on the 250th anniversary of the country on the 4th of July.
O'REILLY And he wants a clean D.C.
PIRRO He wants a clean D.C., and we have brought crime down, homicides are at the lowest rate in recorded history, but right now we're seeing a little uptick. Why? Because the weather's getting nicer, people are coming out, but we've made 12,000 arrests under this federal enhancement with the local police. We've taken something like, I don't know, 1,300 guns off the street. You know, those are 1,300 fewer guns that people can use to kill other people.
O'REILLY Now, can the guard take the guns, or can they just detain?
PIRRO Well, the guard can work. They always go with the local police, but they have their own guns that they can use, which is what happened with Lakanwal, who came from the state of Washington and decided to kill the two, or two.
O'REILLY So wherever the National Guard goes, they take the local metro DC police with them.
PIRRO Yes, yes, but no, you'll see them on a street corner alone. And they're there to deter crime. Whether or not they could make an arrest, they would probably concert or confer with MPD or other police agents.
O'REILLY Can they stop a miscreant from running?
PIRRO Yes, absolutely.
O'REILLY Okay. They can.
PIRRO They can detain, yes.
O'REILLY So they're another tool of control to stop...
PIRRO That is effective.
O’REILLY ...People from committing crimes on the street.
PIRRO You know what's happening, Bill? People are able to go out to dinner. They're able to walk the streets.
O'REILLY You sound like Trump.
PIRRO Because it's true. It's true, Bill. I hear it all the time.
O'REILLY Every time Trump says that, he says, when are you going to buy me dinner?
PIRRO Yeah, he could buy both of us dinner.
O'REILLY Okay, that brings us to your appointment. Now, some say that Donald Trump makes his appointments based on friendships with people who've been loyal to him. Is that a fair assessment?
PIRRO I don't know, I'd have to look at all of his appointments.
O'REILLY Oh, that's a dodge.
PIRRO No, it's not a dodge at all. It's a direct answer to your question. If you want to ask me if he appointed me because of our relationship, I would say to you, he knows me. He knew me as a DA. He knows me as a fighter. He knows me as an individual who believes in law and order, and I believe in him as well.
O'REILLY And but you were very supportive of him when you were on Fox.
PIRRO I was, I was, because I know the man. I've known the man for almost, what, 36 years? He's been at my home, I've been at his homes, you know, I'd see him on the street when I was DA in the 90s.
O'REILLY Would you say you understand Donald Trump?
PIRRO Nobody understands Donald Trump. You know who does? Melania understands him.
O'REILLY You think so?
PIRRO Oh yeah.
O'REILLY Okay.
PIRRO Oh yeah.
O’REILLY So I don't know if that's a fair assessment, about the president appointing people that he feels have been partial to him. I think that's...I don't know if that's fair.
PIRRO I don't know that he knows everyone that he's appointed. I mean, you'd have to prove that he knows everyone. He doesn't necessarily know them.
O'REILLY Right, but he's, he reviews it, I know that. He's not gonna put on anybody from MS is not going to be working for you anytime soon. Okay, because he holds a grudge.
PIRRO No, because, you know, these are the people who indicted him, and indicted him, indicted again.
O'REILLY It's a grudge, Jeanine. You know, both you and I know that I'd say 80% of that was just garbage.
PIRRO It was garbage. It was made-up stuff.
O'REILLY It was horrible.
PIRRO I can tell you, I was a DA in New York, just like the DA Alvin Bragg. I was the county judge, just like judge who was there trying the case, Judge Marshawn, okay? I held both those positions. That trial was so ridiculous. There was no crime. It was beyond the statute of limitations. .
O'REILLY This is the real estate fraud, which is insane, and E. Jean Carroll, are you kidding me? Bloomingdale's?
PIRRO Wasn't it Barney's?
O'REILLY No, it was Bloomingdale's.
PIRRO Was it Bloomy's? Okay.
O'REILLY I'm sitting there going... what? Okay, that could never have happened.
PIRRO Yeah. Yeah.
O'REILLY So when you were on the five, you were very, I think you were the strongest of the crew out there, saying this is a bunch of crap.
PIRRO Because I know the man, and I can speak to the man. I can speak to who he is, what he's like, when he parties, late at night, early in the day, seeing him with his kids, seeing him with his family. I've seen him on the street. I know the man, okay? And everyone wants to make him something that he's not. And the truth is, Bill, the very fact that he survived everything that they threw at him tells you that this is not an ordinary man. So don't expect ordinary responses from him every day of the week. He's a different kind of guy. He is, I mean, the man has armor around him. I don't know how he does it. But what...
O'REILLY He's a vampire.
PIRRO No, I don't think he's a vampire. I'm gonna tell him you said that. He's not gonna take you to dinner, he's gonna take me to dinner now.
O'REILLY Yeah, he never sleeps.
PIRRO Oh, he doesn't. He used to call my house.
O'REILLY I know.
PIRRO When my ex worked for him.
O'REILLY Vampires never sleep, Jeanine.
PIRRO He'd say, where is he? I'm like, hold on.
O'REILLY It's the whole night, there over flying around, turning into bats.
PIRRO He's working all night. Thank God for America.
O'REILLY So you're sitting there at The Five, and you're making good money. It's a very successful program. And you get the call.
PIRRO Yeah.
O'REILLY How long did it take you to say, I'm gonna dump the TV thing, and I'm going to go with the public service?
PIRRO Didn't take me long at all. Let me explain something to you. Sometimes the most difficult decisions are not all that complicated. Because when he made that phone call to me.
O'REILLY He did it personally.
PIRRO He called me, yeah. It was, it went right to my soul. This is who I am. This is how I want to, you know, maybe end my career. Who knows? This is a job that I love. This is a job where I go in every day, and I can't wait to get there. I mean, I haven't even told you all the stuff we do. I'm the DA here. I'm a federal prosecutor. I do terrorism. I do civil cases. I do, I defend agencies. I go, I prosecute agents. I mean, this is a huge job, a huge office that I had to turn around, Bill. It was a neglected office. People were quitting, people were getting fired. You know, my...
O'REILLY I don't even know who the DA was under Biden.
PIRRO The guy's name was Matthew Graves, United States Attorney.
O'REILLY I've never heard of him.
PIRRO He was a United States attorney. We're not called DAs. We are United States attorneys.
O'REILLY Okay, I'm sorry, Matthew.
PIRRO Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, I saw his picture. I never knew who he was either.
O'REILLY I had no idea who it was.
PIRRO Yeah. But let me tell you something...
O'REILLY So it took you less than a day to say yes or?
PIRRO It was about a day and a half.
O'REILLY A day and a half?
PIRRO Yeah. It was like, I didn't think you have a great life, a great job, you work for a great company. It wasn't that. It was, like, you got to do what's in your heart. You just got to go.
O'REILLY Okay. Did Jesse Waters cry when you met each other?
PIRRO I talked to Jesse a lot. I talk to Jesse...
O'REILLY Through an interpreter? Or do you just talk to him?
PIRRO I do talk to him. And...and you know, I miss, I miss Harold. I miss Jessica. I miss Dana.
O'REILLY I thought that was a good crew, right?
PIRRO It was a great crew. We all liked each other. That's why it worked.
O'REILLY Right. So, despite all of the trappings of that, because usually you get it the other way. Usually, the public servants want to get on television, make the big money, get the glamor. You go the other way.
PIRRO Yeah. Maybe I'm not that smart, Bill. I don't know.
O'REILLY I don't know. I know how much you're making now, and I know how much you made over there. So maybe you want to discuss your finances with me, but you took a humongous pay cut. It's ridiculous.
PIRRO The pay cut I took was ridiculous.
O’REILLY Right. Didn't matter?
PIRRO It didn't matter. The money didn't matter, didn't factor. It was as wonderful as that was. And you know, the old take the yellow legal pad, do the pros, do the cons. You know the cons are ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. You have to move, you have to leave your dogs, you have to do this, you do that, you're not gonna...One line is who you are.
O'REILLY Well, you were always that way, though.
PIRRO What way?
O'REILLY I've known you, what, 25 years?
PIRRO At least, yeah.
O'REILLY But you were a woman of passion in the sense that there were certain things you wanted to accomplish, and you did. You did everything.
PIRRO I don't know about everything, but... I'm happy.
O'REILLY There isn't anything you haven't done. You built your way up in the legal area, conquered that, good job. Now you're in the federal area, and you drove The Five's ratings up to where they are. So you've done pretty much everything.
PIRRO I wrote a few books along the way. I had two kids along the way. And...I think the one thing that I kind of, that I miss is that solitude that you have in your own home.
O'REILLY Sure. But you still have your home. You didn't sell it.
PIRRO Tell me. No, I didn't.
O'REILLY No, you're going back.
PIRRO Not so far.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO But I miss home. I'm in an apartment, which sometimes it just feels like a suitcase.
O'REILLY Well, the way you work, you're not there very much.
PIRRO I'm not, and I miss my dogs.
O'REILLY The dogs. You don't have to walk them, see, that's a good part.
PIRRO I never did, I let them out. I have property.
O'REILLY Just let them, and they run around?
PIRRO I have a property, yeah, it's all...
O'REILLY And the coyotes don't get them?
PIRRO No, no, coyotes don't dare.
O'REILLY Do you ever get the ire of the Trump haters?
PIRRO Yeah, I don't care. I don't even...
O’REILLY I know you don't care, but are you subjected to that? Look, this is big difference from New York.
PIRRO Yeah, oh, it's different.
O'REILLY Huge, okay. Now in New York, they don't like...Hey! It's O'Reilly, Hey!
PIRRO Yeah.
O'REILLY Okay. That's all right.
PIRRO And I yell back at them, by the way. When they come at me, I go right back.
O'REILLY But here it's more in the back. There are people who are working for President Trump, who have come under that scrutiny that they're not invited anywhere, they're shunned by people. You experience that?
PIRRO I don't care. I don't need to be invited anywhere, Bill.
O'REILLY I understand that, but how have you experienced...
PIRRO Yeah, I think I was here two weeks, and I was sitting outside, I have the marshals with me, and I'm sitting outside, and some guy comes out with a big placard and says Pirro's a fascist, and he caught my attention. I said, oh, that's me. And so the Marshalls are like, I said, I want to go talk to this guy, and he goes, you're not going to talk to him. Yeah, there are a lot of those.
O'REILLY They saved you from yourself.
PIRRO From myself. You know that, Bill, because I wanted to fight with the guy.
O'REILLY They're over here. When I walked in there, they patted me down, so they're taking good care of you.
PIRRO Yeah, they're great guys.
O'REILLY Okay, but I know you're not invested in any of that, the social stuff.
PIRRO No, I'm not. I'm not.
O'REILLY Okay, but there are people who have taken it right on the chin, particularly lawyers.
PIRRO You're right. And that's their livelihood.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO Yeah, I already know my livelihood's pretty much down to this compared to what it was, so.
O'REILLY Your livelihood is a lot bigger than theirs, but I'm just wondering how blatant that Trump hatred is in the Washington so-called swamp.
PIRRO Well, let me throw a statistic at you. 95% of the people in the district voted for Kamala Harris. Do I need to say anything else? These are people who sit on the juries. These are the people who sat on the grand juries, you know, these are people who do not love Donald Trump. There's no question about it. But what am I going to do? I have a job to do, and I'm gonna do my job. And the only way to do that job is to work with the judges. It's to work with the mayor and the police and people who don't like me to try to find common ground.
O'REILLY But here's something interesting. Your conviction rate is high, despite the juries being left.
PIRRO The conviction rate is high. There are a few cases that, you know, CNN and some of these other places will say, oh my God, they're losing these cases. They're losing, you know, they didn't get an indictment in this case. You know, but the truth is that there's only 10% of the cases I'm not prosecuting. Now follow me. Matthew Graves, the former U.S. Attorney you never heard of, didn't prosecute 65% of those cases.
O'REILLY Wow, that's a big stat.
PIRRO So everybody knows that I am taking on, I'm taking on all comers. You go after a victim in the district, you go after anybody, and I'm coming for you. And if the jury says guilty, wonderful. They say not guilty, I'll take it. It's fine. Now they know there's going to be accountability. There's going be arrests.
O'REILLY But it looks to me like you're making some inroads in persuading these jurors.
PIRRO I think there is. I think they recognize that what we're trying to do is make it better. And you have to lie to yourself, Bill, to say things are worse under Donald Trump.
O'REILLY Yeah, you can't.
PIRRO They have to admit it, unconsciously, in D.C.
O'REILLY Right, in D.C.
PIRRO In this district, it's totally different.
O'REILLY Now, the media. So you're a part of the pro-Trump media, I mean, let's be honest about it, but most of it's anti-Trump. Okay? Are you going to the correspondence dinner?
PIRRO Yes, I am.
O'REILLY So I'll be there too.
PIRRO I'll see you there.
O'REILLY But I'm being there as a reporter.
PIRRO Really?
O'REILLY Not as a guest.
PIRRO Okay.
O'REILLY Okay? Because if anybody does something untoward, I'm going to confront them.
PIRRO Good.
O'REILLY I don't want you to prosecute me, by the way.
PIRRO Yeah.
O'REILLY Okay.
PIRRO All right. But I'll give you an interview.
O'REILLY I just walked to the line. All right, I said, I don't want Pirro on my case. So there's just a line. But that's why I'm going.
PIRRO Interesting.
O'REILLY Because I don't want the office of the presidency attacked at a stupid dinner.
PIRRO I appreciate that.
O'REILLY Which could absolutely happen. Okay, you know, Dan Rather and Donaldson put out this Dopey letter and, you know. Forcefully confront the president? What does that mean?
PIRRO These people are unhinged.
O'REILLY I think so.
PIRRO There's no respect for the office. I mean, the way we treated President Obama was we disagreed with him, but we didn't create chaos. They disagree with us, and they create chaos, violence, and all kinds of problems.
O'REILLY And you see that?
PIRRO I do see that. I absolutely do see it.
O'REILLY Okay. Does it affect your job in any way?
PIRRO No, and my job, though, Bill, is to turn that office around from a neglected office, the kind of-.
O'REILLY You already did it.
PIRRO No, but I mean, getting these prosecutors to go in there is a tip of the spear. We're here representing the victims. We're not here representing any politics. We're here representing the victims and going after the criminals. You know, there's no, I don't want people like, oh, you know, they don't like us and this or that. I don't care, get that out of your mind. Put your blinders on. This is who we are. I support you in everything that you're doing. I think there was a little hesitation at the beginning.
O'REILLY I did a recent report in San Francisco on how that city has devolved into the unbelievable chaos because laws weren't enforced.
PIRRO Interesting. Yeah.
O'REILLY So we did that on News Nation, and it was a big hit, and what I learned from that was that there are prosecutors who don't care about the law.
PIRRO Damn right. You're right.
O'REILLY They care about advancing their careers.
PIRRO With their followers and their ideologues.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO Yes.
O'REILLY So the guy that gets beat up, you know, and his nose broken and teeth knocked out.
PIRRO Pays the price.
O'REILLY They don't care about him. And so you've been able to banish that, do you think?
PIRRO I think so. I think to a great extent, Bill, I've been able to do that. I think that, you know, this whole idea that anyone is there or anyone is impacted because of politics, I just strip them of that completely. And when we go into court, we go in on the facts and the law. And sometimes we get pushed back from judges. And our job is to push back the judges. I think before me, they didn't push back so much. Before me, it was like, I said, no, no, no. The judge doesn't run this office. The judge doesn't tell us. And I was a judge. Judge doesn't tell us what to do. We decide what we're gonna do. We decide whether there's gonna be a plea. We decide what we think the sentence should be. And that's how far we go with this case. Nobody is gonna control us.
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O'REILLY Did you have a tough time picking your team? Because number one, you don't know the turf, coming down from New York. Number two, the turf is left. Did you have a tough time assembling these people?
PIRRO Yes. Yes. I had a tough time. I was short of 90 prosecutors and 60 legal assistants.
O'REILLY Ninety?
PIRRO Ninety.
O'REILLY How many is total in your office?
PIRRO Four hundred. Four something. Four thirty. Something like that.
O'REILLY That's a big group.
PIRRO I keep telling you it's a bigger office.
O'REILLY Yeah.
PIRRO And 90 prosecutors, 60 legal assistants. I'm short of 150 people. All right. And then what happened was they started firing people, and then people started leaving because they thought they were going to get fired. And my message to them was, you be a good prosecutor. You get in there and fight the fight. And I don't care who you are. You do the job. And so the ship is calm. We've turned it around. I'm still short prosecutors, because historically, this office is one where people move in and out of very quickly. But at the same time, we've got some really good people in my front office. I brought one of my assistant DAs who worked for me years ago. He was one of the best investigators, Steve Vandervelden. A guy from Congress, brilliant guy, Carlton Davis. And my pals of my principal at AUSA is someone who worked in the office for 13 years. I brought in a guy from NASA, NASA, who's my executive at AUSA. I have a great team. I am very hands-on, Bill. You can't get away with anything in the office. Don't bullshit me.
O'REILLY Well, you tried that at Fox with me, and it didn't work. This U.S. Attorney, Lindsey Halligan, got screwed. Were you involved with that at all?
PIRRO I think that there was some information that she needed from our office that we were able to provide her, but all of that information from the office was from I think 2017, 2019, and but we were not asked to work on the case.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO You know, I think, I think she probably could have used more help.
O'REILLY Well, I mean, look, Comey, the former FBI director, guilty of sin, I'm sorry. I'm a due process guy, but the guy did it. I mean, he misled Congress. He had his friend put stuff out to the New York Times. He denied he didn't do it. And this Ms. Halligan was right in the middle of this. The press, of course, all along Comey's side. And I'm going, what's this? And it didn't look like she had much help.
PIRRO I don't know that she did. We gave her the help that we could based upon what she needed, but that help should have come from main justice.
O'REILLY Should have come from the attorney general.
PIRRO Yes.
O'REILLY Okay. How often do you talk to the president?
PIRRO I talk to him when I talk to him, which means I'm not going to answer your question.
O'REILLY Why?
PIRRO Because the press asks me that question all the time. I don't answer them.
O'REILLY Well, but what's the downside?
PIRRO No, I speak to him frequently. Okay.
O'REILLY Frequently.
PIRRO Don't ask me to define it.
O'REILLY Well, he calls you whenever he wants to call you.
PIRRO Yeah, he is the president.
O'REILLY Okay.
PIRRO How often does he call you?
O'REILLY He calls me occasionally. Mostly, he'd yell at me, okay? You know how it is. But he's the president, I actually have to keep my phone on all night, and because I want to help. I'll tell him, you know me, if he asks me, I'm gonna tell him what I think. A lot of times, he doesn't want to hear that. You're kind of like me that way. If I ask you, you're gonna tell me what you think. You like that with him? No deference?
PIRRO You know, now that I work for him, there's like, you know, Mr. President, Mr. President, I say, Donald, no!
O'REILLY No, you gotta call him Mr. President.
PIRRO Mr. President, yeah, of course, there's deference. He is the president, and I am one of his appointees. I have tremendous respect for him. And I'm honored when he calls me.
O'REILLY Does he ask you questions that go beyond your job? Policy questions, things like that?
PIRRO I'm not gonna talk about what I talk about with him.
O'REILLY But I'm asking you specific questions.
PIRRO I'm not. Yeah, yeah, that's specific enough.
O'REILLY That's specific enough.
PIRRO That's it. That's as far as I'm going.
O'REILLY You believe that he trusts... Well, that's a stupid question. Of course he does, or he wouldn't bother calling you. So I'm not getting anything here? You're stonewalling me here?
PIRRO No. You're not getting anything.
O'REILLY Now, if this was The Factor, I'd have to, you know.
PIRRO Yeah, you'd have to beat me up.
O'REILLY But I'm being extra nice.
PIRRO Yeah. Yeah. I am very grateful for you being extra nice here.
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PIRRO But, you know, one of the things that I think is important for me to say in light of everything that we've talked about is that the new attorney general, the acting attorney general, Todd Blanche, I think he's doing a great job.
O'REILLY Tough guy.
PIRRO A tough guy, experienced guy, very aggressive, knows the president. I think it's going to be a great run for him.
O'REILLY He's got a lot to sort out.
PIRRO He has a lot of people who believe in him.
O'REILLY Yeah. But that whole attorney general situation now, because you know if the midterms go against President Trump, you know what the hell's gonna happen here. Well, hell's going to break loose. Ready for that?
PIRRO Am I ready? Sure. I'm one of the good news stories. You just said it yourself.
O'REILLY Alright, so you're ready for nutty, loony, I hate Trumpers, you know, trying to denigrate him using the legal system.
PIRRO Absolutely. It's nothing new to him.
O'REILLY You anticipated it? I mean, you guys thought about it?
PIRRO Absolutely, you think about it. I mean, I've been around a long time, Bill. I understand how they play. We all understand how the play. What they're going to do. What they will do to get power back. You saw how they got power the last time. I mean everything from the Russia hoax, and the liars, leakers, liberals.
O'REILLY But it would be foolish for them to impeach him. That would hurt the party.
PIRRO You think so?
O'REILLY I do. The nation has had enough of that. And independent voters, they're not going to go for that. But there are other ways to do it.
PIRRO How?
O'REILLY Well, they can trump up, pardon the pun, anything they want and make it almost impossible for him to govern unless the legal system steps in, and says bull, this is garbage, and we're not going to entertain this, and you're still going to have the power to do that even if the Democrats win. But I think that the attorney general, yourself, is going to be the bulwark there. You guys are going to the first one in defense when the Trump haters, if they get control of Congress.
PIRRO Well, they're coming at us, there's no question.
O'REILLY Right.
PIRRO They're coming at us.
O'REILLY How would you describe to somebody who lived in Poland what the atmosphere politically is in Washington, D.C.? How would you describe that to somebody that has no idea?
PIRRO Well, first of all, you know, Washington, D.C. is filled with politicians, and I think that politicians themselves are just less than credible to begin with, most of them, okay? What I've seen since I've been here is that, you know, there's a lot of lobbyists and a lot of parties and a lot of this and that, I mean, there are very few of them who are so committed to getting the job done as opposed to just fighting with each other. All right, that is the game. It's to make them look bad, and we're not even a part of it. Forget, not even pawns. We're not part of the thing. And then when you go outside of Congress, then you've got just the haters. The people who believe that they know more than everyone else who may be experienced in the law, and that we're all corrupt, and that Trump and the prosecutors and the court system... You know, we're just trying to put people in jail, and that we're not protecting anybody. And you know, if a cop gets assaulted, too bad. He probably deserved it. Or in one case, we had a police officer who was brought in, I think it was an FBI agent. He was brought, and he was African-American, and the jurors sat in the deliberation room, because they come and tell us. Well, they only brought him in just to make sure that you realize that we had someone black working on the case. I mean, it's just, it is like, there's so much animosity. You know, they're looking for so much collision and fighting in this district. It's like you're on a side or you're the other side.
O'REILLY So they want conflict all the time because that gives them a reason not to move ahead on what their original job.
PIRRO Or it gives them a reason to, you know, to vent against someone. I don't know, maybe they're frustrated. They just need to fight with people.
O'REILLY Well, with Trump, it's everything's personal. Everything. |
