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BALDWIN And I start screaming, and I, you know, start acting like a lunatic. Hollywood to me has always just been a bunch of BS.
O'REILLY We'll give Jesus credit for everything you've ever done.
BALDWIN I was a real pain in the ass.
O'REILLY You had to have attitude.
BALDWIN Chutzpah!
BALDWIN Bill, you're gonna get me in trouble.
O'REILLY Cheap shot, sorry.
BALDWIN No, just...I just, I had it coming.
O'REILLY Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to We'll Do It Live, our long-form podcast. You can see us pretty much every night on BillOReilly.com's No Spin News, which is a regular broadcast. We do this now once a week because it's been successful. And today we have a very interesting guest, Stephen Baldwin, part of the Baldwin Boys. Mr. Baldwin grew up near where I grew up on Long Island. And it was a rambunctious home, father's a teacher. It's got brothers, Alec, Daniel, Billy. I know them all. And here he is. Thank you for coming in, very nice of you. I know how busy you are. We'll talk about your podcast, One Bad Movie, in a little while. But I wanna get to this number that came in this week, 37% of Americans say that they have lost a friend or a romantic partner or even a family member they don't talk to anymore because of politics. And you guys are divided, the Baldwin brothers are divided. You got Billy and Alec, pretty liberal guys. And you and Daniel, fairly traditional guys. I think that's fairly accurate.
BALDWIN Sure.
O'REILLY Has that bled over into brawls or, uh, spaghetti fights?
BALDWIN Uh, no, there hasn't been one of those amongst us in a long time. I am officially Bill. So, you know, I'm retired from politics.
O'REILLY Good for you!
BALDWIN Stephen Baldwin's out, I host One Bad Movie podcast now, and I'm getting back in the business of just doing some content creation, hopefully following in the footsteps of somebody like yourself, sir.
O'REILLY Well, I wish you the best with it.
BALDWIN Thank you.
O'REILLY And, you know, it gets to the point sometimes where you have to retire or at least take a break from the political stuff because it just wears you down. But I know Daniel hasn't retired because he tackled me at the Joe Namath benefit in Florida about two weeks ago, screaming about some Trump thing.
BALDWIN He's a big guy. You recovered quickly.
O'REILLY I did. I gave him a faint like this. And then Alec, every time he sees me, throws things at me. So, he is not retired. But the family dynamic growing up, or when you guys were younger guys, now you're middle-aged, and you're getting into icon territory. Did that ever come into play?
BALDWIN Oh yeah. One time, my mom got in between Alec and Danny, and her dentures went flying. I'll encapsulate that story for you.
O'REILLY Your mom?
BALDWIN Yeah, my mom, Carol Baldwin, the legend. There was the four boys and my two sisters. And certainly, I was the youngest. I was number six. So I was the one that broke the Brady Bunch possible tie. When Stephen was born, it was four boys, two girls. And my dad was like, you know, football coach, massive high school, you know, history teacher, et cetera, et cetera. I was a real pain in the ass growing up. I was the most rambunctious, but not the most, you know, kind of diabolical. Daniel was the most diabolical, which is why he's...
O'REILLY Why?
BALDWIN Which is why he's tackling you now.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN But Billy and Danny would give me a whooping on occasion. And Alec was pretty good at protecting. He was my Vito Corleone.
O'REILLY How much older is he than you?
BALDWIN Nine.
O'REILLY So he's 69, you're 60.
BALDWIN Right.
O'REILLY And he protects you, good for him.
BALDWIN He looked out for me pretty good. But that's only because one time my mom put down a gauntlet, anybody gives the middle finger again, you're punished for a week. No more middle finger. I don't care what happened, if it's a sporting event, anything, whatever, you know, this, that. Okay, ma. You know, the next day, Billy comes up to me. She smacks me around a little bit. I give him the middle figure. He starts chasing me. I run behind my mom. She goes like this. He says, you just said yesterday, one week he's punished, that's it. He's not going out of the house. He just gave me the middle finger, and my mother goes, what else is he supposed to do to defend himself, the poor little-.
O'REILLY Ah, your mom turned on you.
BALDWIN No, she protected me.
O'REILLY Oh, she protected you.
BALDWIN She protected me. She said, he's the little baby.
O'REILLY Oh, I got it. Now, you've got four guys who are very flamboyant, talented, all actors. I would say your oldest brother, Alec, is an activist. And then on 9-11, because I had you on a factor, I don't know whether you remember. I do remember. I mentioned it. You changed not only your politics, but your religious point of view.
BALDWIN Sure.
O'REILLY All that happened after the World Trade Center got attacked.
BALDWIN Correct.
O'REILLY Did that cause any familial problems?
BALDWIN Not really family, family. You know, we kind of always were raised. My dad was a real, you know, kind of universal kind of guy in that sense, you know, respect everybody, do unto others, you know, my dad was pretty regular Joe Irish catholic.
O'REILLY Was he conservative or liberal, your father?
BALDWIN He was a Democrat, liberal, but with very traditional values. That said, my becoming born again, kind of getting out of Hollywood for quite some time, which I'm now getting back into with the podcast and some stuff. It's led to division, so to speak, because of political reasons and geographical, and I'm not blowing smoke in as much as nothing too bad outside the normal family crap.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN You know what I mean? But when my mom passed... You know, some stuff happened behind the scenes, you know, people were a little disgruntled, and you know blah blah blah, but listen, I don't think there's anything too dramatic happening.
O'REILLY If you had dinner tonight with the three guys. Cordial?
BALDWIN Yeah. But we haven't been spending much time together. That's the truth.
O'REILLY Why not?
BALDWIN Yeah. Location, everybody's in different states now. You know, I'm two hours north, Bill. I'm a farmer up north, upstate New York.
O'REILLY Well, Alec's still in the Hamptons, I think.
BALDWIN He's in the Hamptons and Vermont.
O'REILLY Mm-hmm.
BALDWIN And he's working like a dog because he's got all those kids.
O'REILLY You know, he's got 19 kids or something, right? How can you keep track?
BALDWIN I don't know.
O'REILLY I always had an affection for him, and he came on The Factor, too. I remember he was sweating a lot. And I said, look, I'm not gonna lay you out here. I'm just gonna try to understand where you're coming from. Because he moves up there with De Niro at one time. He has backed away from that. Is that a philosophy? Did you all four, except for Daniel, say, you know, maybe we shouldn't go down this road, and let's quiet it out on the political front?
BALDWIN Well, I think it's that plus, you know, as you get older, time, energy, you know, your own personal, you know, prioritization, you know, what, what you prioritize to be the things you want to spend your time doing.
O'REILLY Are you still born again?
BALDWIN Absolutely.
O'REILLY What does that mean? What does it mean now?
BALDWIN Okay, so, Nicodemus...
O'REILLY Nicodemus!
BALDWIN He was kind of like the Elon Musk of his time. He decides, look, I've been hearing about this guy, Jesus, too long, you know, they're saying he's doing this. Somebody, somebody said, like the fishes kept coming out of the thing, right? So he goes and sees him at night, and Jesus says to him, You know, the people have said that, you know, following me and knowing what it is to have salvation is all these other things. He goes, it's as simple as just knowing what it is to be born again. And Nicodemus says, well, what do you mean? I already came out of my mom. I can't come out of mom again. But that means in the spirit of your heart, because that physical part can't happen, that's the recommitment, that is the one-on-one between you and Jesus relationship and surrender that is being, quote unquote, born again. So when somebody says, what denomination are you? I say, I'm, you know, non-denominational, but in the Bible, it doesn't say Catholic, Protestant. ...
O'REILLY There wasn't Catholic yet. So, you've got to go through Jesus if you want to reach paradise. That's what I took the Nicodemus story to be.
BALDWIN Right, if you want to know eternal life connected to the Almighty of the Father, our Father in heaven, one must be born again through salvation in Jesus Christ and with Jesus.
O'REILLY And nobody in your family objected to that?
BALDWIN Well, no, because my mom, Carol, up there in Syracuse, her sister that we spent a lot of time with at family reunions and just growing up whenever we went to visit folks up in Syracuse, after we moved down to Long Island, my dad became a teacher down in Long Island. We were all born down here, but two, three decades, we'd go up to Syracuse for events. And my Aunt Louise was the... Almost like the SNL character, you know, like Satan? You know...
O'REILLY That church lady.
BALDWIN She was like, my aunt Louise was basically a church lady.
O'REILLY Did that coincide with you becoming a traditional political thinker, or had you done that before?
BALDWIN No, I think I had never been political until after I was a born again and kind of entered into politics just in the Republican Party as a conservative in my understanding, which, you know, you've got to walk that walk a little bit before you understand what these things really are, you know, in the inner workings of parties, you know. So, all of that said, I supported Republican people for, really, went to a lot of the conservative stuff because most of my constituency in the six degrees of Kevin Bacon of my political experience was through Christian folks. A friend of mine said, let's go to the prayer breakfast. And he was a Christian guy with a charity. So I was connected with more-.
O'REILLY That was your crew.
BALDWIN That was more the faith-based thing, yeah.
O'REILLY Before we get to the one bad movie thing, because I am interested in Hollywood to some degree. There were, and I, I need you to straighten this out for me. We don't invite anybody on this long form that we feel isn't going to tell the truth because I don't want to have to beat the hell out of you, you know, not physically, but you know. Let's have a nice conversation. In 1989, you did a movie called Casualties of War.
BALDWIN Yes, sir.
O'REILLY Brian De Palma was the director, big, big director. Okay, and you left the movie, and there were all kinds of stories about you, Sean Penn, and Michael J. Fox.
BALDWIN Right.
O'REILLY Wanna clear that up for me?
BALDWIN Before I forget, I'd like you to be on my show, One Bad Movie. You're gonna love this dovetail right now because I'm setting up some episodes for New York, and my first guest is Michael J. Fox when I do the New York.
O'REILLY Okay, good.
BALDWIN So now it's gonna be Michael J Fox and you if you're available, sir. So yeah, listen, listen. Do you wanna hear the whole thing?
O'REILLY No, I wanna hear why you left the movie.
BALDWIN I left the movie because Sean Penn was my idol, and when I auditioned, I auditioned thinking, wow, what a shot I got here.
O'REILLY Yeah.
BALDWIN Right? Wow. What an opportunity.
O'REILLY Spicoli.
BALDWIN Well, more than Spicoli. Okay?
O'REILLY To me, it'll always be Spicoli.
BALDWIN Me too!
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN But he's done, you know, Carlito's Way, and some other legendary stuff. So, I get this opportunity to go read for Art Linson, the legendary producer with De Palma. I read for Art Linson. I'm doing stuff in the script with the character that's not there. I added like a stutter, and I did some weird stuff, and just this is the character, forgive me. This is the character I came up with. I read from Linson, and he goes, it's not what's on the page. Why are you doing it like that? I said, it just what came to my mind. He goes, great. Can you go in two hours and meet De Palma? It's all in Manhattan. Oh my holy shit. Yeah, I'm going to see Brian De Palma. I go see De Palma at his house, Upper West Side, blah, blah, I sit down, I do the audition. He goes, that's not in the script. Why are you doing it that way? I said, this is just the character. This is what I came up with. He goes great. Sean Penn has final approval of the casting. Can you meet him in two hours at this restaurant on the Upper West Side? I'm laughing, like I swear to you, in eight hours. I go see Penn. We're at that white rocking horse on the Upper West Side, some fancy place. And we're in this back little booth, and he's smoking in the restaurant. I'll never forget it. I couldn't believe he was smoking in the restaurant. He sits down, he goes, okay, when we get there, I'm the sergeant, you're this, da-da-da, this is how it's gonna go, but you can't talk to Fox. When we get to Phuket, Thailand, with De Palma, and everybody, big movie, you gotta just shut your mouth and do what I tell you. I'm telling you, you speak to Fox once, your ass is grass.
O'REILLY Why didn't he want you to talk to Michael J. Fox?
BALDWIN Because it was a method thing he was doing.
O'REILLY That nobody talks to each other?
BALDWIN He, Penn, wanted absolute control in the wrath of his leadership as the sergeant in this story.
O'REILLY In the platoon.
BALDWIN Right. So he turns around. I am my father's son here, Billy, you know, you tell me not to do something.
O'REILLY You gotta do it.
BALDWIN So I get over there, and Fox is one of my heroes, too. I mean, what am I, I'm not going to piss on Michael Fox.
O'REILLY Or disrespectful, right.
BALDWIN You know, in some kind of a method actor way, because this guy's telling me this and that. Long story short, we were like two weeks into filming, Penn comes up to me during a lunch break, and he says to me, you know, everything all right? Everything good? But he knows I've been hanging, like I've been in wrapping, you know, the word got back to him.
O'REILLY With Fox, yeah.
BALDWIN Yeah. And he just turns around. He says to be, you know, okay, okay. As long as you're following my orders. The next morning, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Linson would like to see you before you head to the set. No, no, no. It's Thailand. So I get in the car, I go to his office. Now you're gonna love this one, Bill. I walk in, he goes, Stephen, this is the hardest part of a producer's job. I said, Art, we're already filming for two weeks. There's no way you're getting rid of me. He goes, we are sending you home. I said do I get paid? He goes absolutely. I said well, let me go get my stuff, and I'll just swing by the set and say goodbye to the guys. He goes, your room's already been packed, and your belongings will meet you at the airport. You're gonna go. Dude, forgive me, sir. Mr. O'Reilly, these guys demonstrated for me in that very extreme Hollywood way what it's like to get replaced within the system.
O'REILLY Were you angry at Penn?
BALDWIN Not now, I'm just turning 60 years old. No, no, no.
O'REILLY Back then, if you transport back to the future, like Michael J. Fox, you're in the car, were you mad?
BALDWIN Listen, Michael J. Fox makes a good joke. He says he's happy about Eric Stoltz because Eric Stoltz was supposed to actually do Back to the Future. It didn't work out. Michael J. Fox took his part. Okay. John C. Reilly. You ever hear of him?
O'REILLY Sure.
BALDWIN He replaced me in that movie.
O'REILLY In the movie. You would have been better, though.
BALDWIN Well, listen, John C. Reilly's a talented guy.
O'REILLY Right. But you, you were mad at Penn, pulling rank.
BALDWIN Well, only because, you know, it was a dream come true. It was the biggest jump in my career, as far as if I had remained in the movie, who knows? Yeah.
O'REILLY I don't know Penn very well, but a couple of times, and he wouldn't mess with me, he would be foolish too. But I asked Clint Eastwood about him.
BALDWIN Oh really?
O'REILLY Because, and this might be something for your podcast, they did a movie, Mystic River.
BALDWIN Yes, of course.
O'REILLY Up in Boston.
BALDWIN It's a brilliant film.
O'REILLY Right. And Penn is an edgy guy. Edgy, okay? You say smoking in a restaurant, it's not all he's doing in the restaurant.
BALDWIN But that was 30 years ago, go ahead.
O'REILLY Right. But you weren't allowed to smoke back then.
BALDWIN Correct.
O'REILLY So he's gonna do what he wants to do. So Clint Eastwood is a very level-headed guy.
BALDWIN Right.
O'REILLY But extremely powerful.
BALDWIN Yeah, and not a scaredy cat.
O'REILLY I said, how did you get along with Penn? I mean, my God. And he looked at me, he goes, no problem. One or two takes, he did it the way I wanted to do it because he's who directed it. And that was it. And Jack Nicholson said the same thing. Nicholsen loves Penn. And Nicholsen's no raving liberal, okay? So he's an interesting guy. Now, on your podcast, One Bad Movie, what movie and what guy or gal surprised you the most by saying that movie was terrible, and I'm sorry I did it.
BALDWIN What a fabulous question, because literally it's the person that's on right now.
O'REILLY You?
BALDWIN No, no, no. The guest, you mean?
O'REILLY Yes.
BALDWIN Yeah, yeah, so Brian Austin Green, famous for 90210.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN He's the current guest on the show. And we're about to drop part two on the YouTube channel. And like I told you, Bill, One Bad Movie podcast, hosted by me. It's like if I sat with you and said, Hey, did you do a cameo or did you play a part in something? Did you do a TV commercial? What's the thing where you ate the sushi for lunch, and you got food poisoning, and you were like, or, or the, the car ran over your toe, or, you know, somebody showed up on set, they were wasted, you know, like, what's the thing that was just the nightmare that now in retrospect is kind of humorous? So once we start doing all that, it becomes a lot more fun. You know, because now instead of me doing a direct, kind of like, you know, like, oh, what's your favorite movie you've done or what, you know? So, right now I sit down with Brian Austin Green, and I say to him, something like, and like, Oh, well, you know, I just think times have changed, and now you have a lot of, you know, actors who are moving into these kind of commercial, kind of corporate positions, and these titles and they're making tons of money. Some of these stars, you know, as I said, I said Margot Robbie in Barbie, you know, like...
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN This gal made $70 million on the back end. Now, God bless her. Go, Margot, go! But I'm just saying to Brian, you know, things have changed, and I just, I don't agree with it, and I don't think movies like that, which is kind of like a fictional kind of silly kind of...
O'REILLY Frivolity.
BALDWIN Right. Exactly. I said, I just don't think those are the great movies Hollywood could, you know, it could and should be making now. And B.A.G., Brian Austin Green came back at me, Bill, like you couldn't believe it. He's like, oh yeah, well, I disagree. And here's what, and he kind of very reasonably and quite logically from a financial perspective made a lot of sense. But I'm an old school guy. You know, I like Stand By Me. I like 16 Candles. Now, Brian likes that stuff too, but he's more of a contemporary open to this other stuff. Nobody believes me when I say this. If I got offered some huge movie tomorrow, but I had to be like in front of a green screen on hooks flying all around, Bill, I'm out. I don't care what you want to pay me.
O'REILLY Well, you were in one of the greatest ensemble movies that was a serious movie, The Usual Suspects.
BALDWIN Sure thing.
O'REILLY Now, when you're in a movie like that, and you have all of this talent around you, was there one-upmanship in that movie? Was everybody trying to be better than the next guy? And because I remember that movie, it was pretty intense.
BALDWIN Yeah, but it wasn't so much one-upmanship as much as it was like a dance partner. You know, people were showing up with such interesting choices in their characters.
O'REILLY Mm-hmm.
BALDWIN That all you could do was focus on your character and how to keep it as interesting, so to speak. And there was one story I love to tell, it's just one adjustment I had to make in my performance was you know, everybody loves the police line up where I say, give me the g-g-g-gun, and I start screaming and I, you know, start acting like a lunatic. A lot of fans come up to me on the street and say to me, they love that line. When I kind of worked out the character throughout the whole storyline, I had a few other moments where maybe he'd be more explosive. My character, he'd throw somebody against the wall or shoot his gun, or who knows. But Benicio shows up.
O'REILLY Del Toro.
BALDWIN Benicio Del Toro shows up, and he's this like Latin Road Runner. He like, just shows up and goes, meh meh, and then runs. And like, you know, the whole room goes, what did he just do? You know, so I had to pull back some of the choices I had, and kind of, and not have my character, McManus, do too much.
O'REILLY Right. Right.
BALDWIN In order to do that dance with all this other fabric, you know?
O'REILLY And that brings me to my next question. Were you guys all actors when you were kids? Were you going around reading Shakespeare? Because all four of you wind up in the movies.
BALDWIN Bill, we were all jocks. We were all jocks.
O'REILLY No acting?
BALDWIN High school choral, you know, you sang in the chorus, and you did the high school play, and you know, you did Zorro, and you had to, and you remembered the lines. But not until Alec did his first, what's the name of the soap opera? The Doctors. You'll remember the original.
O'REILLY I don't remember him, but I know his history.
BALDWIN So he started with a little soap opera. He gets a contract to do a soap opera. He's making more in a month than my dad is at Massapequa High School for the whole year. And all of a sudden, the Baldwins said...
O'REILLY Hey!
BALDWIN Sports scholarships or Hollywood? What's it going to be?
O'REILLY You ought to have Alec on One Bad Movie. He's made a few of them.
BALDWIN Yeah, we got him already.
O'REILLY You got him ready? All right, I want to see that. So you let me know when that is.
BALDWIN I'll let you know.
O'REILLY Talking about kids, Hailey. You have a daughter who's one of the most famous models. Would that be accurate? Model, celebrity?
BALDWIN Sure. Model, but now kind of business owner.
O'REILLY Business, all right. So when she was growing up, obviously, she had physical attributes that you knew. Did you want her to be in this world? Because that's a pretty intense world that she's in.
BALDWIN Yeah, but she's really navigated it quite well, Bill. And she's got a great team. And she had a vision, you know what I mean? Hailey probably could have become a professional ballerina. She was very gifted in dance. She could become an actress, still could, if she wanted to.
O'REILLY How old was she when you knew she had this kind of talent?
BALDWIN I would say she went to a lovely ballet school in the Nanuette area of upstate New York, where we lived for a while, and the Nyack area. She went to Coupe Studios there, and since she was 5, 6, 7, you know, she took little kid classes, goofing around, not serious, but then went on to dance every one of the lead roles in those Christmas performances over the next 7, 8 years.
O'REILLY Okay, so you knew that she...
BALDWIN So she danced all the lead roles in the Nutcracker. And it was one of those things where, okay, she's got some gifting. She's got the talents. Let's see what she wants to do. She took all of that and focused it into business.
O'REILLY Was there a point when you, as the father, had to sit down with her and warn her about certain aspects of show business, rough business?
BALDWIN She was well aware of it way in advance.
O'REILLY How?
BALDWIN Well, just communication with your kids. Yeah, just talking to your kids, you know, when my kids were coming to certain events around Hollywood people, you know, we're from Massapequa, so mom and I were kind of always making sure the kids understood the algorithm.
O'REILLY So from a very young age, she knew what you did, how you did it, what the industry was, and she wanted this a lot?
BALDWIN I can't speak for my daughter. I'm not even supposed to be talking about her now, Bill. You're gonna get me in trouble. But anyway, you're a legend, so I can talk about it.
O'REILLY She'll forgive you.
BALDWIN She'll- You heard it here, folks. No, I just think Hailey, like a lot of these young people that have grown up on screens, they have ways of learning things much more quickly on their own. You could really say to yourself, like, who's doing this over here, and who's doing what, and just kind of educate yourself about this and that. And her thing was wellness and the health of beauty.
O'REILLY Were you ever worried about her? Were you ever, you know...
BALDWIN Of course. Yeah. As a dad.
O'REILLY When you're getting in too deep, too fast, and you get the tabloid stalking her. That's always intrusive. Was there a point where you said, I don't know?
BALDWIN Not really, only because, you know, the oversight that my wife and I had at a certain age, when she was hanging out with some of her friends, she's still friends with now.
O'REILLY So you raised her traditionally?
BALDWIN Yes, sir.
O'REILLY Did she buy into the Jesus stuff?
BALDWIN Oh, she's a Christian, absolutely.
O'REILLY So you got her in there?
BALDWIN Jesus got her there.
O'REILLY Okay, well, give Jesus credit for everything you've ever done. That's fine. But you know, some of these kids in Hollywood, it's, you know, puff daddy better than Jesus. You know, I mean, we're talking in some extreme situations here. I'm glad you came out well, you know, I'm a dad, and I'm raised like you were on Long Island, and my daughter is a very beautiful woman, and I always worried about her. My son, I knew was gonna be okay, and lacrosse player, and you know. He bought into my system, but she was always a little bit on the, you know, O'Reilly guy, am I really...You know? That kind of thing.
BALDWIN That's funny.
O'REILLY But I spent an inordinate amount of time worried about her. Not that she was doing anything wrong, she wasn't. I just wanted-.
BALDWIN Just the world out there.
O'REILLY I wanted everything to turn out so well.
BALDWIN It's the old duck to water, Bill. You gotta let them fly.
O'REILLY No, I know, and we had two pools, so there's a lot of water, and she can get in there anytime she wanted.
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O'REILLY Now, you come across to me, I don't know you that well, but I know you a little bit, and each Baldwin brother has their own personality. Obviously, I'm going to...Alec is, you know, I wouldn't say problematic, but he's confrontational.
BALDWIN Used to be. He's more chill.
O'REILLY He's pulled back.
BALDWIN He's more chill.
O'REILLY Right. Because the kids won't let him out of the house. But if he ever gets out of that house, I'm telling you, he's going back to the confrontational.
BALDWIN We'll see. We'll see.
O'REILLY Billy, I never got a bad vibe out of Billy.
BALDWIN Sweetheart.
O'REILLY Yeah. I mean.
BALDWIN Married to China Phillips.
O'REILLY Yeah. And that Phillips family, they're crazy. John Phillips, totally out of his blanking mind, and she turned out really well, looked to me anyway, and then Daniel, I think, is hysterical myself.
BALDWIN You've got another Namath coming up, so be careful.
O'REILLY Yeah. And then you, I mean, that's quite a brood.
BALDWIN It's quite the lineup.
O'REILLY Quite a brood. I don't know of any other brood, maybe the Barrymores?
BALDWIN I don't think there's been four immediate siblings that have made as many films as...
O'REILLY You guys all together.
BALDWIN Paperboys boys. So, God bless Jerry Seinfeld. You're a huge talent, but we've made a bunch of stuff.
O'REILLY Do you know Seinfeld? He's out on the island.
BALDWIN I don't. Do you know Jerry?
O'REILLY I know him a little bit.
BALDWIN Tell him to come on One Bad Movie with me.
O'REILLY You know, if you tell him...
BALDWIN You know, it's life isn't just luxury cars and comedy.
O’REILLY Here's how you get him. You tell him you'll have a Hall of Fame Met guy there, New York Mets, he'll come. He loves the Mets. He's a big Mets guy.
BALDWIN Maybe we'll just hire a Met guy to come sit in the room.
O'REILLY Right, yeah. Howard Johnson will do it. Just give him a call. Howard will come right up. Seinfeld loves the...
BALDWIN The Mets!
O'REILLY Loves the Mets.
BALDWIN Die Hard!
O'REILLY Every time I see Seinfeld, it's not often. But I see him around once in a while, he tries to make fun of my clothing. And I always look at him, I go, is this what it's all about, Seinfeld, insults about nothing? You had a show about nothing, you made $200 million, now you're insulting me about nothing? So he's an interesting character. It's something about Long Island.
BALDWIN Sure. You've got a lot of fun characters coming out of there.
O'REILLY Right. You had to have attitude, or you got just...washed.
BALDWIN Chutzpah!
O'REILLY Well, you got washed.
BALDWIN Right.
O'REILLY If you didn't have attitude, raised in Levittown, you know, you had to. And that's what translated. So, on the One Bad Movie front, you told the story about the guy who sees it differently now about making movies. Was there a movie mentioned on your podcast that surprised you? But you thought, hey, this was a great movie, it turns out to be a terrible movie, and here's X, Y, and Z.
BALDWIN I have a similar thought bubble, but not about a movie. I had Rumer Willis, the daughter of Bruce and Demi. And I interviewed her because I just wanted to hear from her algorithm of young people. And I was interviewing her, and how do you say to her what Bruce Willis means to us from back in the day?
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN You know, from, you know... Not Moonstruck, what is it? Moonlighting. So Moonlighting was, you know, as like, but it's iconic as Seinfeld. I mean, obviously, you know, etc., etc. So I turn around and I say to her, not to be weird, but I just like, I know your mom and dad, just let me get this question out of the way. I said, what content, what thing from your childhood that your parents did is the one thing, it could have been Die Hard. It could have, you know, anything. And she picks that series.
O'REILLY Moonlighting.
BALDWIN She says, when I think about my dad's work and the stuff he's done, my favorite go-to binge-watch is Moonlighting.
O'REILLY And that was before her time. She's watching the reruns.
BALDWIN Right. She's watching it decades later.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN And it was just odd to see his kid, now a mom herself, actress, singer, super talented, just to bring up Moonlighting. And it caught me like that question you just said, like was there something that... She could have picked anything. She picked Moonlighting. I thought that was very cool.
O'REILLY When you now evaluate your life, and you get opportunities, and I like the podcast opportunity, I think that's going to do very well for you.
BALDWIN Thank you.
O’REILLY You've got to market it. That's always the hardest part of any of these things, but it's going to do well, because people still like the old-time Hollywood, like you were talking about, the traditional movies. I don't go to see the everything's blowing up. They're making that movie for people in Pakistan who wanna see everything blown up. That's what they're making a movie for. I was in Transformers. I was there. Me and Turturro.
BALDWIN We'll talk about that.
O'REILLY And I had four movies made myself that I exec-produced, like my books. So, I know the world a little bit. But I still don't waste time on what they're throwing out there now. I haven't been in a movie theater... when James Bond started weeping or doing whatever he did before they blew him up, that's it. Sean Connery never would have done that.
BALDWIN Exactly.
O'REILLY I'm not doing this anymore, okay?
BALDWIN You're funny.
O'REILLY Right. So when you have this podcast, if you can transport people back to that time...
BALDWIN That's what we do.
O'REILLY In history, where movies really meant something, people talk about them, people would style themselves after the movies. Now that doesn't happen. So that's why I think the value of this podcast, I wish I had thought of this idea.
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O'REILLY But when you're offered a project now, does the born-again stuff that you believe in enter into your decision-making?
BALDWIN If Mel Gibson called me and said I'm doing Lethal Weapon 9, and you can play the bad guy with your little mullet haircut, you know, the Swedish, you know, bank robber. You know, Sven.
O'REILLY Gotta have him, you gotta have a Swedish bad guy.
BALDWIN Sven and his sidekick, Olga.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN You know. Look, the guy wants to pay me a couple of million bucks to show up and do a big-budget movie...
O'REILLY You're going.
BALDWIN As long as I don't have to say the F word, and as long...
O'REILLY You won't say the f-word in the movies?
BALDWIN I won't say the f-word in the movies.
O'REILLY Whoa!
BALDWIN And it's bleeped out of One Bad Movie.
O'REILLY Ah, very interesting. So, no profanity by Stephen Baldwin.
BALDWIN Well, why put out negativity, Bill? Let's stay positive, right? If I can make my point creatively in the stuff I create, now don't get me wrong. There's a rodeo picture I'm gonna write, produce, and direct. There's another...
O'REILLY Because they do say, the rodeo, when the bull throws them, and they hit their head, they say the F-word. Okay? I can guarantee you that, in between the tobacco juice coming out, the F-word is coming out, too.
BALDWIN Sure. Yeah. With the appropriate motivation, obviously.
O'REILLY No, it's in context.
BALDWIN But you're making my point, which is within context, if there was bad language in material I produced, that would be different. You know, I'm not going to do a movie that's an urban movie with some characters that's like, you know, yo, homie.
O'REILLY You're not doing Superfly.
BALDWIN Well, I'm not doing something that's unrealistic, but as writer, producer, director, you can kind of shape all that. So I'm looking forward to kind of the challenge of what you're talking about.
O'REILLY But you do have parameters based upon your religious beliefs. There's certain things you won't do now that you would have done before.
BALDWIN Absolutely. I've kind of, I've made out with a couple of cute gals, Bill, in 40 years on screen, and I'm good now. I'm a grandpa. No more making out.
O'REILLY Did they have to pay those women extra to do it? Cheap shot. Sorry.
BALDWIN No, I just, I had it coming. I had it coming, sir.
O'REILLY So, now, your belief system, religious belief system does shape the way you want to produce entertainment.
BALDWIN Yes, but not like it used to. I'm...
O'REILLY Moderate it a little bit?
BALDWIN I'm almost third... Yes, of course, you know, like a fine wine, right? You kind of figure out the Bible for yourself. You've gotta figure out how to choose your battles. You've gotta figure out family, you know, as you progress up in your personal life. Hopefully, you know, with your business and career, it can spill on over into that as well. So right now, I'm doing One Bad Movie. I'm getting ready to do a bunch of kind of faith-adjacent content. That's the marketing words, Bill.
O'REILLY Faith adjacent.
BALDWIN So, yeah, it's not like the new Christian movies that are out, like I can only imagine, and all these other big, obvious faith, basically. If I do a rodeo picture, it is going to be a rodeo picture where there's a couple scenes, where they pray over the meal.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN And there can be Christianity within it, but my hope is that, as a storyteller, I can create stories and content that impart all of that, but in the old way of great filmmaking. You know, right now, Christian...
O'REILLY That's what people want.
BALDWIN Well, but the...
O'REILLY They want good stories.
BALDWIN It's getting better.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN Christian content's getting much better. No question.
O'REILLY Well, Gibson just finished his resurrection movie. I think it took him 18 years to shoot it, but he's just finished it. And that's going to reignite that whole genre.
BALDWIN Absolutely globally.
O'REILLY Right.
BALDWIN No question.
O'REILLY I thought The Passion was a little too gory for me. I remember sitting in the makeup chair next to Mel Gibson, who needed about 30 seconds make up while I needed four hours. So he was there, and I went, do you really need the last nail? I mean, could we've done... We got it...up there. So, I don't know what he's doing with the resurrection thing, but he spent a ton of money on it. Shot it in Rome, and they just wrapped it about two weeks ago.
BALDWIN Wow. It's gonna be, but it's still, but he's got two coming out. He's got...
O'REILLY Yeah, it's a two-parter.
BALDWIN It's a, yeah, it's Resurrection, and then another one comes out like a couple, like...
O'REILLY Yeah, I think it's six months ahead, behind.
BALDWIN It's gonna be interesting to see.
O'REILLY I like Gibson. He's crazy. Sorry, Mel, but you are. But I like him because he's honest.
BALDWIN Oh, yeah.
O'REILLY All right, you ask him a question, just like you, and you get an answer. So, Stephen, thank you very much for coming in. We're gonna hold Stephen over.
BALDWIN I got one more thing.
O'REILLY Go ahead, one more thing.
BALDWIN 90 seconds.
O'REILLY Sure.
BALDWIN You ready for this? This is one of the only ways, Bill.
O'REILLY All right. Massapequa Chiefs.
BALDWIN One of the only ways I can get even with Kilmeade, who thinks he's Mr. Massapequa.
O'REILLY And that's Brian Kilmeade, everyone.
BALDWIN Brian Kilmeade from my hometown, God bless him.
O'REILLY State of New York's trying to knock that chief thing out.
BALDWIN Bill, this is a 1989 original Massapequa High School wrestling zip-up.
O'REILLY Wow!
BALDWIN This is the old one, bro. This is literally double XL. This and my Burner High School shirt are the two last things I have from my hometown, and I'm giving it to you.
O'REILLY Aw, that's nice of you. That's very nice of you.
BALDWIN You know why? I want Kilmeade to see this, and he's gonna...
O'REILLY And be jealous.
BALDWIN Even Brian Kilmeade doesn't have one of these bad boys, bro.
O'REILLY You know what? I'm gonna wear it next time I see Hochul.
BALDWIN Please!
O'REILLY Yeah, and she'll love the logo on it.
BALDWIN She'll love it. I'm retired from politics.
O'REILLY Very nice of you. I appreciate that.
BALDWIN Appreciate it.
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